Chapters
    00:24 Introduction to Public Emotions 02:53 The Impact of Internal Conflicts 04:44 Adapting to 21st Century Challenges 06:19 Technology's Role in Emotional Learning 09:03 The Need for Societal Skills 10:26 The Vision for Public Learning 11:40 Support for the Journey
Transcript

Hello everyone, welcome to another Daily Gym. Today is Thursday, July 10th, 2025, and today I want to talk about how emotions and conflicts are much more public than most of us realize or probably want to admit.

I am going to try to get better at talking about the public need for learning how to deal with emotions, learning how to deal with conflict, learning how to communicate with each other, apologize, all these different things, cry. I can go deep and deep into the skills, but, um, I think often we associate it with private needs. Oh, go see a therapist, go, you know, see your counselor, go maybe to your religious organization and get some help there. Kind of like one-on-one, maybe small group approaches. Yeah. There are books like self-help and stuff like this, but in general, it's still self-help. you're reading the book, you're reading it for yourself. Self-help, right? Not public help, not helping everyone. And I think we have this belief that emotions and conflicts are something that we can confine within ourselves. We can restrict them, we can compartmentalize them so that if we are feeling something or if we are conflicted about something, that it just stays within us and doesn't leak to other people. And I think this is maybe super, super far from the case. Maybe in some rare cases this happens, but have you ever interacted with a friend or family member or colleague or any other human really, or even animal, dog, cat, who didn't sleep well?

So their internal conflict, their tiredness.

But does it stay confined inside their body? Does it have any impacts on you? Do they ever get grumpy? Do they ever shout at you? Do they ever get snippy? Do they ever want things to go a little bit faster? Do they ever want to slow down? Do they ever impact your behavior in any way? Now if they're posting on the internet do you think that has any impact on the public behavior now if they're in a organization they're making decisions for you know that impact a thousand people do you think that has any impact do you think if they are a political figure that it has any impact if they are a media figure or sports figure do you think that has any impact your favorite sports team loses because maybe somebody got sick or maybe somebody's family member died and so that they're grieving and so they lose focus on their work and on their training and therefore they don't compete as well and now the team doesn't make the playoffs. Does that ever happen? I believe it happens all the time, all the time. And I think we lie to ourselves whether we just don't realize it or we just don't want to admit it because we haven't maybe learned the skill, ironically, of recognizing that we have so many different emotions and conflicts happening all the time. And it's written all over our face. It's written all over our actions. It's written all over our purchases. It's written all over so many things that we do, the words that we say, the way that we say them.

And it has an impact on other human beings. And it can have an impact on many other human beings. Because it can impact, it can go through a chain. I can impact one person who impacts one person who impacts one person. Or it can be more broadcast. Again, if I'm posting something on the internet and a thousand people see it, voila, maybe it impacts a thousand people. Boom, like that. Or if I'm driving in traffic, I get into an accident because I didn't sleep well. Now I've crashed on the road. I've blocked the road. And now many people behind me are stuck in traffic. And maybe some of those people are late for work. Maybe some of those people are on the brink of divorce and it just caused the divorce to go over the edge. Maybe some of those people are rushing to the hospital. Maybe some of those people, who knows what. So I think we often...

Again, haven't learned the skill to recognize the connections of these things and to see that it's more publicly connected. And maybe that's one of the challenges in explaining it to people. I try to tell people that this is a public need and people go, oh, but, but no, no, no, it's a private thing because maybe those people don't feel or see the connections between their behaviors, their feelings, their conflicts and life around them or vice versa. The, you know, what's happening around them and how it impacts them. So maybe that's inherent to the challenge, but maybe another way to describe it is just that if we have this many people in the world who need skills like this, who want to learn how to get better at apologizing, who want to get, learn how to get better at forming a deep relationship, who want to learn how to get better at not drinking so much alcohol, who want to learn how to get better at feeling more confident, who want to learn how to get better at it, just name, name the emotion or conflict. Then one-on-one may not go fast enough, especially as the environment is changing, especially as we get new technologies like AI, especially as we have new maybe transportation technologies or biological technologies like CRISPR, like gene editing. Do we currently have the skills? Have we learned how to deal with these 21st century technologies? And the emotional impacts of them and the conflicts that come. And if we haven't, will one-on-one or small group private lessons get us there? Will it keep up with the pace of technological change? Or do we need something that operates on a much larger level? Do we need something that scales to a similar level to how these technologies scale?

Chat GPT, I think, broke some record and like fastest to 100 million users. That's a lot of people. I don't know how many days it was. It wasn't a month, a couple of weeks. I don't know. It was short. That's a lot of people. Now, what are we learning from these new technologies that may actually make it harder for us to learn how to love each other?

Maybe we learn, hey, chat GPT is better to talk to than a human because chat GPT agrees with me all the time or most of the time. How do we learn to love other humans if that's the case? Maybe it can help us, but it can also harm us in some ways. So how are we learning some of these skills in light of the people who are creating some of these tools maybe did not learn these skills? You look at the Facebooks of the world.

If the goal is to connect a lot of human beings and the people who are making it are not good at connecting with a lot of human beings on a deeper emotional level will the tools necessarily what will they spread what will we learn from them.

And so for me, I just, every time someone says, well, just do it like kind of one-on-one in public or private, I don't see this as a, one, I don't see it as a private need. I see it as a public need because our behaviors, our emotions, our conflicts influence the people around us. But two, I just see the need being so big that doing it small one-on-one is just a disservice to the amount of people who want to learn these skills. And if I can do something that can help many many many many people learn why would I focus on helping one or two people learn so much, now I can't completely not focus on one or two people but how can I take focusing on one or two people and try to expand it so that other people could learn from that experience maybe the essence is that people are learning from my experience one human trying to interact and navigate the world people can learn from my experience? How can I make my experience, my learning experience more public? Whether that's through podcasting, whether that's through writing essays, whether that's through live streaming, who knows what the platform is, or creating tools that come from me for me, sharing things like I feel you. But even if it's not just me, if it's interacting with somebody else, how can I share that experience where I am learning, that other person is learning, and it can be more scalable or exponential so that so many other people can learn from it. Instead of hoping that people will pay money to do one-on-one private things, there's just. There's just, I think, too many people who want to learn these things or maybe don't want to learn these things, but I think need to learn these things. And I would really like them to learn these things. That's maybe the third element of this. And I'll talk about it for a second. There are a lot of people who I wish would learn these skills. I wish the president of the United States knew how to apologize. I wish the culture of the United States was much better at forgiving and reconciling, you know, reconciliation so that we didn't have such a punitive justice system. I wish that men and women stop thinking that women are using men for money and men are using women for sex. I wish we just realized that we're all struggling going through so many things. I wish so many people, not people, I wish communities, I wish societies had these skills and I want societies to learn these skills. I don't want individuals necessarily to learn them. I mean, individuals have to, but my goal is not to help the individual. It's to help the society. It's to help the community. It's to help humanity. And it seems lofty and it seems ambitious, but at the same time, I want to help groups. I want to help families. I want to help communities. I want to help political parties. I want to help genders. I want to help so many groups of humanity learn these skills and not blame them for not having learned them before. And if I have to go one-on-one with payment to get there, we're never going to get there. We're just never going to get there. It just won't scale fast enough. That's my belief.

And so unless we train people, like it's, it may be possible, but I think it'd be very, very hard to get it to move fast enough and, and wide enough. So for me, my focus is not on public learning. It's on, or sorry, it's not on private learning. It's on public learning. And if you're really curious and you think you want the public to learn these skills and you think the public might want to learn them as well. Please support me in my mission. Support me in my journey. I'm trying to lean on these skills. I don't know them either. I'm trying my best to learn, maybe just slightly ahead of y'all. So if you really believe in this, you're excited to learn about these skills. You're excited for society to learn about these skills. Maybe it's not even so much that you want to learn them, but you want somebody else to learn them. You want your enemy to learn these skills. You want that asshole to learn how to apologize. Help fund me so that I can make this public, so that, make it more and more public, so that maybe they'll stumble upon it and they'll learn something from it, even if they're not trying to learn it. Because maybe they'll listen to the emotional combat with Jim Kleiber where they explicitly want to learn. Maybe they'll just listen to this because I pulled them in on some topic and they learned something on the Jim Kleiber show. So on that note, please, if you would like to support, go to jimkleiber.com slash giving. And you can see options to give financially or non-financially. Financially, you can do one time or you can do recurring. And recurring. It doesn't have to be indefinitely. It could be one month, six months, whatever suits your fancy. So thank you so much. I look forward to talking to you all on Monday. Cheers.